Charges pressed against X_Kazakai_X

[branchuchan]

If this is in the wrong area, please move it for me.. I tried to post in Feedback but it appears that forum is closed.

The girl known as Kazakai talked me into sending her one complete doll, and two heads for free customization. I was going out of the country and she would be done while I was gone.

I sent the dolls out June 25th, one complete Luts El dressed, one Volks School Head A head and a Luts Dreaming Vampire Shiwoo head along with a bunch of clothing and accessories totaling $1500 in value. The original deal was that Kazakai would provide pictures of their dolls and mine as well while I was on vacation.

It took me until August 23rd to have the money to ship them home. I paypalled $45 then - $5 more than what it cost me to ship them. On top of that I had to start stalking Kazakai to try and find out about my dolls. As soon as I mailed the Paypal money, she became very unresponsive. I had to ask her room mate Celebare to even see what Kazakai had painted my El like!
My dolls still not have arrived after about 3 supposed shipping dates have come and past. Kazakai claims to have been sick and in the hospital, but it has past the point where I can be sympathetic anymore. It does not take this long to send dolls out.

Now Kazakai is not answering my attempts to contact her. It took me threatening police action Thursday 9/20/07 to even get them to call me in real life to discuss what has happened. When they called, Kazakai was VERY abusive and called me a b*tch and a c*nt and a whole slew of horrible things. She screamed over me and did not let me get one word in. She made excuses and tried to snowball me into accepting that it was not her fault that my dolls had yet to arrive. Kazakai even tried to hint that were I not in Texas and she in Ohio, she would have attacked me physically by now for "starting drama." Oh top of that, she admitted to loosing my dressed doll's wig, an eye out of one of my heads and some other clothing (though she would not admit what) all of this after telling me this stuff was missing two weeks ago and never once attempting to locate any of it.

I have filed a police report and am waiting to hear back from them. This has gone beyond the realm of the internet and working with people, and I am taking legal action to either get back my dolls or their worth. I would prefer my dolls. I'll take what I can get though. I refuse to be used. The case will stay open until all of my dolls and accessories have been returned - that or I get their worth in cash.

I just wanted to let this out into the Internet what I have been experiencing. Kazakai has threatened me and has been very abusive. No one deserves to be bullied and have their most PRIZED possessions stolen.

A picture of the whole doll (the chap in white) and one of the missing heads. I miss them so.

The Police report was filed 9/22 and as of 9/26 my dolls still have not arrived home.

EDIT: If YOU hae been scammed by Kazakai please do not hesitate to contact me and I will be glad to pass your information on. Shoot, you might even get your stuff/money back.

FINAL EDIT: My dolls were returned but not without quite a bit of prodding from me and the Police. She did not send back all my items, but I was willing to deal. At least I got my dolls back.

http://www.mr-nobones.com/bchan/pics/dolls/rings09.jpg

[BunnyChan]

I saw this on DoA, I just wanted to applaud you for taking the time, and making the effort to file a police report on her. When it comes to doll scams, not a lot of people take it that far (even if they say they will) So, good on you for fighting for your situation and your dolls. Good luck!

[branchuchan]

I saw this on DoA, I just wanted to applaud you for taking the time, and making the effort to file a police report on her. When it comes to doll scams, not a lot of people take it that far (even if they say they will) So, good on you for fighting for your situation and your dolls. Good luck!

Thank you.

[Hitasura]

Just as a note, Kazakai is banned from the Resinality forums due to dealing such as this.

Good luck with the charges branchuchan! And thank you for letting our members know about this issue as well!

[kitteh]

Oh my god, that's horrible! I'm hope you get it resolved and thank you so much for the alert!

[rottenlullaby]

Good luck girl, I'm sending good vibes to your boys so that Kaz returns them safely and soundly. I hope she gets what she deserves.

[Twilight]

Please be sure to update us with what's going on! I would really like to see Kaz get what's coming to her.

[Celebare]

I would like to state for the record that I have no involvement in this matter, other than the small part I've played in passing information. The only request or advice I've given on this matter has been to ask that both parties not 'rant' at mutual friends about the issue, in the interest of keeping things civil.

Once again, I am not involved in this. Kazakai's transactions have no bearing on my own Marketplace records. That's neither here nor there, and has no bearing on my personal relationship with Kai - it's just basic fact.

Yes? Are we all clear on this? Good 8D

[Guide]

I don't think your rep is even in question, Celebare. >_> I see you mentioned only once, as there is nothing to suggest that you need to be defensive.

[Kyrie Arashi]

Honestly I see it as Celebare standing up for herself so that no one can say she should be doing something as Kazakai's roommate. I'm sure some people would, sadly, see it that way despite the fact she holds no responsibility for her roommate's actions and that this entire transaction does not concern her. If I were in her place, I too would have let people know that I'm not a party in this matter and protect my reputation. I would hate to see her reputation ruined because people associate her business practices with Kazakai's. I know for a fact that Celebare is a dream to deal with.

branchuchan, I hope things work out and please keep us posted.

[Sola]

I said this over on DoA, but let me restate: Thanks for hitching your nuts up and not letting thie child slide by again. She's a repeat and long-standng thief, and the police are exactly what's needed.

[Zully Quirke]

I said this over on DoA, but let me restate: Thanks for hitching your nuts up and not letting thie child slide by again. She's a repeat and long-standng thief, and the police are exactly what's needed.

I feel the exact same way. This girl has screwed over so many people, in the dollfie world and outside of it. I'm sure there are many, many people who will be glad to see her get her just desserts.

[Comrade Kiskalla]

Honestly I see it as Celebare standing up for herself so that no one can say she should be doing something as Kazakai's roommate. I'm sure some people would, sadly, see it that way despite the fact she holds no responsibility for her roommate's actions and that this entire transaction does not concern her. If I were in her place, I too would have let people know that I'm not a party in this matter and protect my reputation. I would hate to see her reputation ruined because people associate her business practices with Kazakai's. I know for a fact that Celebare is a dream to deal with.

While it would be harsh, and unkind of others to let Kazakai's actions reflect poorly on Celebare...one has to take into account that they do live together. Police tend to operate under the thoughts of 'guilty by association'. I'd be very wary of sending anything of value to Celebare, great person that she is, simply on account that she lives with a less than reputable "business" person.

[avacado]

Perhaps you can contact the people who have had run-ins with her. This way the police will take it seriously and see that she indeed is a repeat offender.

[branchuchan]

Perhaps you can contact the people who have had run-ins with her. This way the police will take it seriously and see that she indeed is a repeat offender.

That is something that I will ask the Detective when he gets a hold of me.

[babytarragon]

Good luck getting your dolls back, and compensation for any damage caused to them.

I'm really glad that you are fighting for what's yours, and you haven't let her threaten or bully you into accepting the theft.

I don't know how these things work, but I'm sure you could get as many as a dozen statements from people she has stolen from, or defaced the property of.

[Ridgeway]

While it would be harsh, and unkind of others to let Kazakai's actions reflect poorly on Celebare...one has to take into account that they do live together. Police tend to operate under the thoughts of 'guilty by association'. I'd be very wary of sending anything of value to Celebare, great person that she is, simply on account that she lives with a less than reputable "business" person.

This is true. If person A knows about stolen merchandise in their home and does nothing about it, police could say they are an accomplice to the crime.

If my girlfriend started stealing people's dolls I wouldn't be at all surprised if my reputation was tarnished, if not ruined (and I would have it out with her and leave her). How could I guarantee that a disreputable person in my house would be kept away from someone else's valuables? I really would hate to see someone send a doll to housemate A only to have it stolen by B, unless roomate A can keep valuable items under lock and key nothing could stop B from taking it.

branchuchan- I wish you the best of luck with your case.

[BunnyChan]

While it would be harsh, and unkind of others to let Kazakai's actions reflect poorly on Celebare...one has to take into account that they do live together. Police tend to operate under the thoughts of 'guilty by association'. I'd be very wary of sending anything of value to Celebare, great person that she is, simply on account that she lives with a less than reputable "business" person.

I agree with this. Thats pretty much how I see it too...

[Lizzegirle]

Personally, I wouldn't want to live with someone who is pulling this kind of crap with people's things. (Whether X_Kazakai_X has actually stolen something on purpose or just is a victim of circumstance is irrelevant.) If others can't trust her, why should I? How are you sure that she wouldn't pull something similar with you some day? It's sad, but I think your name has already been tarnished from previous X_Kazakai_X offenses just because you are roommates with her. In people's minds, you are only as good as the company you keep.

[Celebare]

I don't think your rep is even in question, Celebare. >_> I see you mentioned only once, as there is nothing to suggest that you need to be defensive.

I think the comments in this thread show that I do, in fact, need to be defensive ;3 Besides, I don't know what Den of Demons could be saying about the situation, and I'd just like to clarify.

I handle all my shipping myself, and it's absurd to think that Kai would steal something out of my possession, as seems to be implied in this thread. If he did, naturally I'd have to kick his ass. I'm not going to expound upon our living situation, but it's not like he's going in my room to take/mess with my stuff -___-;;

In any case, as I'm not currently doing commissions of the sort, I suppose this is not really an issue - I'd just like to be able to continue to buy and sell without getting burned by rumors and false feedback, especially considering the damage my reputation has already taken thanks to my DoA ban. My marketplace feedback is spotless, and I'd like it to stay that way.

[Comrade Kiskalla]

I hate to say it, but I don't think that as long as you're within immediate reach of Kaz, that you'll ever have the same level of trust from people as you once did.

[Zully Quirke]

I think that your roommate coming in to take your things isn't out of the realm of possibilities given what she has done to other people in the past. Even if you never did anything disreputable yourself, the fact that you live with someone that could at any time have access to things sent to you with a reputation like she has is cause enough for concern.

[rottenlullaby]

I'm sorry but I'm going to agree with others and say that if it were me and I had a choice of sending money/valuables to someone who had a good reputation and did not knowingly live with someone who was a well know theif and somone who did live with a thief. I'd chose the one with the non-theif roommate. You can't garentee security 100% even from outside forses but when a known theif is living in your house..well your odds go down even more so by that point.

Sorry if I sound harsh, its just my personal opinion..I've had too many friends that have lived with bad roommates before, and needless to say they lost many a expensive item while the roommate was in the house.

[Lizzegirle]

OK, but how are people supposed to know that Kazakai won't steal things out of your room? He/she isn't trustworthy, that's been proven. Also, you happen to be in possession of the dolls in question because they are under your shared roof. If Kazakai gets taken to court or investigated about this, then you are sure as hell going to be under investigation as well. If I were you, I would find a new roommate. That is truly the only way for you to have a clean, and trustworthy business that isn't at all related to *its* business practices.

*edit* I was ninja'ed by like 3 people. My point still stands though. As long as you are living with *it* you will be associated with *it*.

[River]

I know I've already wished you luck on the LJ thread but I really want to say it again because what's happened is beyond a joke.

Kudos to you Branchuchan for standing up for yourself and taking this action, perhaps it will be enough to make her realise that what she's doing is NOT acceptable on any level what so ever.


In all honesty I can't blame you, Celebare for trying to protect your own reputation but surely there's something you could do to at the very least give Kazakai a kick up the backside? If my friend was pulling this kind of crap I would do everything I could to try and help them to get it sorted out.
This is a big deal now, the police are involved, this is beyond internet drama, perhaps she just doesn't grasp that and needs to be told to get her crap sorted. Shit happens, life gets in the way some times and might force you to postpone shipping something but at the end of the day those excuses are just that, if you want to get something done, you'll do it. It's that simple.

[miss sha]

OK, but how are people supposed to know that Kazakai won't steal things out of your room? He/she isn't trustworthy, that's been proven. Also, you happen to be in possession of the dolls in question because they are under your shared roof. If Kazakai gets taken to court or investigated about this, then you are sure as hell going to be under investigation as well. If I were you, I would find a new roommate. That is truly the only way for you to have a clean, and trustworthy business that isn't at all related to *its* business practices.

*edit* I was ninja'ed by like 3 people. My point still stands though. As long as you are living with *it* you will be associated with *it*.

Exactly. You lie with dogs, you get up with fleas.

I personally could not stand to live with someone who was a notorious thief and con-artist. That would just make me ill to sit there, knowing full well what they're doing and not doing or saying anything to stop it. That seems to me like it's just as bad as stealing dolls yourself.

[BunnyChan]

I handle all my shipping myself, and it's absurd to think that Kai would steal something out of my possession, as seems to be implied in this thread. If he did, naturally I'd have to kick his ass. I'm not going to expound upon our living situation, but it's not like he's going in my room to take/mess with my stuff -___-;;


And Im sure nobody who got scammed in the beginning thought that this girl would would steal from them either. Like you, they put trust in her because they were convinced that nothing would happen to them. Its gunna suck when she turns on YOU someday.

[Taco]

Kudos to you for sticking up for yourself and making sure others in the community know what's going on. Actually, my roommate had an iffy dealing with Kazakai awhile back (over a year ago now)--nothing as bad as this, but again with multitudes of shipping delays and excuses. The doll finally got sent when my roommate started making noise about a refund. It's sad to see that things have escalated with her to the point of needing to get police involved.

Even if this isn't a case of intentional theft (though, I can't see how it isn't--getting things to a post office really isn't that difficult), BJDs are worth some major money, and people should not get into selling/doing commissions if they can't follow through and deal with their customers appropriately.

[zalem]

Good for you branchuchan!

Celebare probably wants to stay in business and keep her reputation clean, so I have no doubt she would do her very best to make sure nothing happens to the items in her possession. However, I can understand why people here would be very anxious about Kaz being under the same roof. Even if they trust you, Celebare, they obviously don't trust Kaz at all and wouldn't put anything past her.

[branchuchan]

Thank you everyone, again, for all your kind wors and explainations, you took the words right out of my mouth!

[Lelio]

I said this on LJ, but I'd like to wish you the best of luck again. I'm glad you're taking action, and I hope things are resolved quickly and you get your dolls back in good condition.

[celestia]

It's hard to live with anyone who is unjust to the law... even keeping clean yourself and I personally wouldn't be against friending anyone of the sort simply for the beliefs i hold in regards to a friendship and the responsibilities of one. This would not mean that i would help evade the law or come up with excuses, but rather fix the issue.

If it couldn't be fixed.. then i'd probably take my own measures to return the items lawfully. So if *they* didn't want to be my friend as a result of it, i wouldn't have anything else to add. lol >>;

In any case, i still can't believe people are still dealing with this girl.

[branchuchan]

I made the mistake of thinking that we were friends again, and to allow her to convince me to send my dolls to her.

I should have known better. I feel really stupid. But I will not shy away from my own stupidity. I'll be straight up and tell you I was a dumbass XD

[celestia]

In the case of being friends... i would probably have trusted them too. But at the same time testing a friend's reaction to things should give you a fair idea of how you're supposed to treat them.

I think its heavily dangerous for her friend, Celebare, though not directly involved- to be a bystander in this mess... knowing what's happening in these threads.. and still not have the guts to do anything in helping to recover clearly stolen items.
(Of course many situations could factor in...and it never clearly is that simple, but nevetheless it is how i feel about situations like these).

[Lelio]

Don't be too hard on yourself, branchuchan. You're not the only one who's made the mistake of trusting Kazakai. At least you've realized it was a mistake and are standing up for yourself!

[Lizzegirle]

I made the mistake of thinking that we were friends again, and to allow her to convince me to send my dolls to her.

I should have known better. I feel really stupid. But I will not shy away from my own stupidity. I'll be straight up and tell you I was a dumbass XD


Oh don't be angry with yourself. We ALL make these stupid mistakes from time to time. After all is said and done, you'll be more cautious in the future. Its sad that it had to cost you $1500 and a doll that you were attached to, but sometimes life's lessons are expensive. I hope that the police will work with you on this.

[Lady Brick]

Celebare, you really need to look into whether you could end up being charged with a crime as an adult living in the same residence as a minor who has stolen property. It's not like you can claim ignorance of the situation at this point.

[Pristine Crimson]

I said this in DoA, but I'll say it here - kudos to you for standing up for yourself, branchuchan. :3 We're all rooting for you.

[Lizzegirle]

Celebare, you really need to look into whether you could end up being charged with a crime as an adult living in the same residence as a minor who has stolen property. It's not like you can claim ignorance of the situation at this point.

Thats a good point. If she is living under your roof and she is under 18, then you are technically her guardian and can be held accountable.

[Kokoryta]

Frankly, if I were in your position Celebare, I'd b doing everything in my power to have those dolls returned to their rightful owner.
The fact that you know she has effectively stolen the dolls and do nothing speaks volumes about your ethics. :|

[Zully Quirke]

Well, no, she's not her guardian. But she's still an adult and can be held liable for property under their roof that's found to be illegal.

[branchuchan]

Still no dolls.. The mail man came and went another day without them.

You know, I'd drop all this if my things would just be returned. ALL of my things.

[Zully Quirke]

Unfortunately Kaz isn't known for being trustworthy OR ethical. :/ I'd say I wouldn't be surprised if she sold them, but I've no idea where she'd go to do so now. She's been banned from nearly every dollfie forum.

How long do you expect until the police officer gets back with you?

[Lizzegirle]

Well, no, she's not her guardian. But she's still an adult and can be held liable for property under their roof that's found to be illegal.

Well I meant that she could be considered her guardian. :damnit

[Zully Quirke]

No she couldn't. Unless she's been emancipated, her parents are still her legal guardians. Celebare has no legal attachments to Kaz. However, if stolen property is found in her place of residence she can be charged very easily with accessory. Especially with the large amount of proof available that she was aware of the crime.

Kind of like if you watched your friend break into a car and steal a stereo and not only didn't report it, but let your friend store the stereo at your home. You can be charged with possession of stolen property.

[Kokoryta]

Either way, it'd be very easy for Celebare to take the dolls and send them back home, I'm sure the OP would even send her money for the shipping.

[Zully Quirke]

Oh, I agree with you. It's pretty sleazy of her not to; speaks volumes towards her ethics. And ultimately why I myself do not purchase from her and advise people who ask about reputable buyers to steer clear of her. While she herself may not have had any problems with transactions to date, if she's willing to overlook massive amounts of criminal theft of property going on right beneath her nose it doesn't bode well for anyone who may actually have an issue with their transaction with her.

Essentially, I don't trust her any more than I believe Kaz is a ~*poor martyred ftm jrocker azn*~.

[Kiyakotari]

This may seem a tad out of the blue, but...hold on. X_Kazakai_X is a male? I was always under the impression that he was girl, but Celebare's post suggests otherwise.


I handle all my shipping myself, and it's absurd to think that Kai would steal something out of my possession, as seems to be implied in this thread. If he did, naturally I'd have to kick his ass. I'm not going to expound upon our living situation, but it's not like he's going in my room to take/mess with my stuff -___-;;

[Lizzard]

I'm more than a little confused as to why Celebare hasn't offered to help return the dolls. They're in her house. Instead of trying to help the rightful owner, she's just posted here claiming she has nothing to do with it. That doesn't inspire confidence, IMHO. In fact, it does the opposite. Why would I ever want to do business with someone willing to ignore stolen property in their own home?

Celebare, go get the dolls that are right there in your home, put them in a box, and mail them back to their owner. Yes, I know it isn't your legal responsibility to do so. But for goodness' sake, whatever happened to just doing the right thing when it's within one's power?

I'm sick to death of people enabling this liar, thief, and all-around criminal. It doesn't matter if you're her friend, guardian, sister, lover, pet dog, or vampiric familiar. Grow a spine and do something about this nonsense! Those who sit by and do nothing are little better than those committing crimes in the first place.

[Zully Quirke]

Kazaki often pretends to be an FTM to garnish sympathy/attention, Kiyakotari. She's scammed a lot of people into believing it, unfortunately. It's terribly insulting to the genuine FTM community, but that's neither here nor there in regards to the topic of this thread.

[Kiyakotari]

Ah! That makes more sense, Zully Quirke. Thank you.

[Kyrie Arashi]

This may not be my place to say, but I don't want her to suffer for this. When I asked, Celebare told me that, at least as far as she knows, the dolls were sent out. Meaning, she doesn't see them in her apartment.

If Celebare wishes to elaborate on this, that is her business, but I don't like the idea of people judging her when she herself doesn't know where the dolls are.

[Zully Quirke]

And unfortunately all we have to go on there is her word. Which given her proven ethics in turning a blind eye to her roommate's criminal activity isn't much.

[celestia]

While i dont think anyone wishes for Celebare to suffer through this; i'd be inclined to believe that i don't think the people who lost their dolls to Kazakai should have to suffer either as a result.

Of course, with someone with such notorious feedback, i'd have neutrally put the person who did get scammed at fault- Without it, Celebare wouldn't even have to deal with this situation.
But that is beside the point of this thread. It's happened, we know it happened out of a betrayal of friendship and disregard to the law- now something is being done about it. Thankfully and finally.

[Lizzard]

This may not be my place to say, but I don't want her to suffer for this. When I asked, Celebare told me that, at least as far as she knows, the dolls were sent out. Meaning, she doesn't see them in her apartment.

If she has asked Kazakai about this, has been told they were sent out, and doesn't see them anywhere in her home, then that is a different story indeed, and I will be more than happy to retract my previous post. However, I havent' seen any post (except yours just now) that indicates Celebare has looked for the dolls, or even asked Kazakai about it. When drawing conclusions, I can only go on the information given.

[Celebare]

The dolls are not in this apartment. Let's make that absolutely clear, first. There is noplace they could be hidden. They have not been sold. The only place they could be right now is at Kazakai's parents' house.

If they were in this apartment I would have mailed them out myself. I'm appalled that I'm being thought of so low.

The dolls have not been under my roof since September 7th.

[Zully Quirke]

Then I'm sure branchuchan will be ecstatic to get some proof of shipping so she'll be able to figure out where her dolls are. :)

[Celebare]

Any tracking slips that exist are two hours north of here, or I'd go get them and scan them myself.

If cops show up at this apartment, they will find absolutely nothing. I'm not stupid enough to allow stolen goods to remain at my residence -_____-;

Let's remember - I was the one who fixed Kazakai's past bad transactions. I physically mailed dolls out myself, out of my own pocket to fix things. If I could get to Kai's parents' house, sure I'd fix this too, though it's not my place. But I don't have those kinds of resources.

[Zully Quirke]

I'm sure you can see why we're all reluctant to believe that. Even if you're telling the 100% truth, it's absolutely possible that Kaz lied to YOU about mailing them. And unless she can provide proof of sending them -- which I'm sure branchuchan would much prefer -- she's liable for them.

I think most of the animosity directed your way is from people who can't fathom why you would choose to be friends and live with someone who's obviously this unethical and uncaring of a person. It's certainly not your place to correct her mistakes, but understand that by putting yourself in that position? Being surprised that no one trusts you/people think less of you seems a little naive.

[Ridgeway]

If they were in this apartment I would have mailed them out myself. I'm appalled that I'm being thought of so low.

Like I said earlier, if my girlfriend was stealing things I would not at all be surprised if the fallout took me down with it. It doesn't have to be taken so personally, it's the way the world works. The only way to make it go away is to distance yourself from the source of the problem. If you choose to stay in your current situation then you'll have to get used to continually defending your reputation. Best to handle it with stoicism.

[celestia]

I'm appalled that I'm being thought of so low.

If anything, i would have thought you would have expected to be thought of by scammed members in this way (or somewhat)- because these dolls were not shipped yet they were at your residence- they are in the hands (so to speak) of Kazakai who is close contact with you.

This is just the story unfolding. People don't have anything against you.. more or less, just perhaps they feel you have the capability to sit and watch their dolls get stolen. (I imagine they are busy fretting over their dolls than to worry about the feelings of someone who technically has had power to return their stolen goods- but does not feel inclined to do so.)

I'm speaking from an almost bias standpoint. Please do not read this the wrong way (though i can't imagine why i should even have to type that disclaimer out of courtesy).


It's certainly not your place to correct her mistakes, but understand that by putting yourself in that position? Being surprised that no one trusts you/people think less of you seems a little naive.
Well said.

[Celebare]

I'm not going to sit here and justify my friendships to you, or to anyone. Why I am friends with Kai is not your concern. My friendship with Kai does not alter my own moral values or the way I conduct myself. This is not about why I am friends with Kai, or why I allowed him to move in with me.

I cannot say anything that would change the majority's mind about Kazakai - but trust me in saying I know him better than any of you ever will. This is not naivety or stupidity - this is the simple fact that I have seen him face-to-face very frequently since February. You know him over the internet. And that's that.

And I'll be pretty damn pissed off if Kai's lying to me about this. Make no mistake about that. I'm doing the best I can, here.

[Celebare]

Celestia - THEY LEFT MY RESIDENCE LONG BEFORE THIS ISSUE BEGAN. They were out of my residence before the original requested shipping date set down by Blanche.

[Comrade Kiskalla]

Any tracking slips that exist are two hours north of here, or I'd go get them and scan them myself.

If cops show up at this apartment, they will find absolutely nothing. I'm not stupid enough to allow stolen goods to remain at my residence -_____-;

Let's remember - I was the one who fixed Kazakai's past bad transactions. I physically mailed dolls out myself, out of my own pocket to fix things. If I could get to Kai's parents' house, sure I'd fix this too, though it's not my place. But I don't have those kinds of resources.


It all comes down to how badly do you want to protect your online rep in the BJD community. Is it worth a 2 hour drive to prove you're not aiding an unscrupulous customizer? Is proclaiming your BFF with Kaz status worth the eye shifts and sudden denial of working with others' dolls?

You were a super friend for helping her out in the past, but there's got to be a limit on how much you bend over backwards before you break. It stops being a case of helping a friend out and more enabling a criminal. That sort of thing stays with you a long time.

[Lizzard]

Thank you for clarifying that the dolls are not in a location you can access. That wasn't clear up until now. I don't think anyone jumped to an unreasonable conclusion -- I think it's only natural for people to assume that if the dolls haven't been mailed, they would be in Kaz's home -- which just happens to be your home, too.

I retract my previous post, in part. However, I still stand by my statement that the continued enabling of this woman is inappropriate.

[celestia]

Celebare: again, the reason people are likely to think of you this way is because what is stated above. If i need to make more clear what i said, it all comes down to this: affiliation.

And just like you, they don't need to know that these dolls were no longer in your care after the incident arose- they still have not gotten their dolls.
You dont need to justify your relationship/friendship with a person- ever .. to anyone. That's your business. Similarly, how people think of you as a result is also up to them- not you.

[celestia]

It all comes down to how badly do you want to protect your online rep in the BJD community. Is it worth a 2 hour drive to prove you're not aiding an unscrupulous customizer? Is proclaiming your BFF with Kaz status worth the eye shifts and sudden denial of working with others' dolls?

While I don't believe she has to physically handle Kazakai's transaction to remain a reputable or innocent person to clear her name, i do believe calling the police in favour of these people would have been a co operative option.

Of course that would destroy her friendship with said scammer which is why she has most likely not opted to do it. As a side-effect, she suffers the scrutiny of everyone else in the community who feels for those who have lost dolls to her friend.

(i should point out i'm not telling anyone off zz)


branchuchan: haha and i thought when she said sep 7 i thought she was implying the year before ;<

[Zully Quirke]

No, you don't have to justify your friendships to us. But thinking that you aren't going to be judged with someone known to be a doll-thieving attention whore is just plain stupid on your part. Enabling someone like that is going to do the opposite of improve your image.

You can certainly be friends with whomever you want. But the phrase "choose your company wisely" is an apt one here. You choose to surround yourself with liars and thieves and that's what people are going to think you are. You choose the company you keep, you deal with the consequences of choosing to affiliate yourself and live with a girl who's done this dozens of times to dozens of people and each time sworn she was just being victimized, oh woe is her, and you're going to be thought of as on the same level as her. Or at least close to it.

Is it true? None of us know for sure. But after what Kaz has put everyone through I think darn near everyone is out of reasonable doubt to give.

[Comrade Kiskalla]

I don't think even if she did step in now an assist in the return of the dolls that she'd ever really be given a clean slate by many. This is hardly the first time that such events have occurred with Kaz; Celebare even admits to having cleaned up her pasts screw overs. So it wasn't as if this is some unthinkable out of the blue act being committed. It's a rather habitual thing, in the eyes of most. So to knowingly shack up with someone with a history of theft, and then be all surprised when she does it again? Ha!

Living with someone does not make you an expert on them. It's as simple as that. She can claim to know the "real" Kaz until the cows come home, but the end result is she's allowing herself to live with someone that has frequently been a problematic business person, and expects that everyone will ignore that glaringly obvious fact and send her their valuables/cash.

[branchuchan]

Celestia - THEY LEFT MY RESIDENCE LONG BEFORE THIS ISSUE BEGAN. They were out of my residence before the original requested shipping date set down by Blanche.
That is actually incorrect.

I requested that the dolls be sent out before Sept 7. Kai made me wait 2 weeks between the time I paypalled the money and the supposed shipping date.

And you are in posession of my missing clothing wig and eye(s). If Kazakai is not lying then they are in a box somewhere in your apartment.

[honeyedbiscuit]

If cops show up at this apartment, they will find absolutely nothing. I'm not stupid enough to allow stolen goods to remain at my residence -_____-;

Let's remember - I was the one who fixed Kazakai's past bad transactions. I physically mailed dolls out myself, out of my own pocket to fix things. If I could get to Kai's parents' house, sure I'd fix this too, though it's not my place. But I don't have those kinds of resources.

I don't find the fact that you fix Kazakai's "past bad transactions" as a particularly noble gesture. It clearly demonstrates a lack of respect and responsibility on Kazakai's behalf and makes me question why you continually take responsibility for your friend's actions. I don't know your relationship with Kazakai nor do I want to (but given what I've been presented, it seems that you have some kind of positive relationship with her), but seeing you in this same situation over and over again makes me think that you're somehow involved.

You can't expect people to think highly of you when you're found in the same situation over and over again.

[NightWatch]

However, I still stand by my statement that the continued enabling of this woman is inappropriate.

This, I very much agree with. I have little patience for the continued enabling of Kazakai's behaviour.

[Zully Quirke]

Or more pointedly, when you put yourself in the same situation over and over again.

[Bel]

While it's not, in my eyes, Celebare's responsibility to handle Kazakai's problems, here's the reality: associating with assholes brings its own responsibility. You get to spend a lot of your time tarred with the same brush, cleaning up their messes, apologizing for them. That's where the adage "if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas" comes from.

In the real world it extends to things such as jobs and rental agreements - word of mouth travels.

I'm friends with my own share of problematic jerks, still. But that's my choice, and my responsibility to deal with the repercussions. If one of my friends were a thief, I'd have to be prepared for people to mistrust me. If someone with access to my HOME were a thief, I wouldn't risk the belongings of others by bringing them into my home.

Branchuchan - GOOD FOR YOU. My god, this is refreshing. Best of luck to you!

[honeyedbiscuit]

Or more pointedly, when you put yourself in the same situation over and over again.

I stand corrected. :)

[NightWatch]

Or more pointedly, when you put yourself in the same situation over and over again.

And when you defend an untrustworthy person's actions over and over again too.

[SolarCat]

I'd just like to say one thing, because I'm not terribly involved in this, but I know you, Celebare, and I don't want you getting in trouble over this when it's really not your fault. You can get pissed at me for what I'm about to say, and that's fine, but I'm saying it as a friend:

Watch your back. Because I would be somewhat less than surprised if the day the police come knocking, those missing dolls are found somewhere in your apartment. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kaz managed to get you involved. And I won't blink in shock if she also comes begging to you for bail money when they finally throw her butt in jail. So look out for yourself. I know you consider Kaz a friend, but so did a lot of the people she's screwed over the years. Now is the time to be selfish, hon. Look out for yourself.


Branchuchan? Good on you. I really hope you get your stuff back.

[Bel]

Totally agreeing with SolarCat. It's possible, and often necessary, to care about and support friends while being on guard against them/their actions yourself. It doesn't make you disloyal, it makes you sensible.

[Arvanah]

No, you don't have to justify your friendships to us. But thinking that you aren't going to be judged with someone known to be a doll-thieving attention whore is just plain stupid on your part. Enabling someone like that is going to do the opposite of improve your image.

You can certainly be friends with whomever you want. But the phrase "choose your company wisely" is an apt one here. You choose to surround yourself with liars and thieves and that's what people are going to think you are. You choose the company you keep, you deal with the consequences of choosing to affiliate yourself and live with a girl who's done this dozens of times to dozens of people and each time sworn she was just being victimized, oh woe is her, and you're going to be thought of as on the same level as her. Or at least close to it.

Is it true? None of us know for sure. But after what Kaz has put everyone through I think darn near everyone is out of reasonable doubt to give.

Best someone's put it yet!

Branchuchan, you may or may not know it but this was a LONG time in coming and I think everyone really admires you for being the one to take action.

[Ridgeway]

It's possible, and often necessary, to care about and support friends while being on guard against them/their actions yourself. It doesn't make you disloyal, it makes you sensible.

My suspicion is that we're are not talking about how to deal with roommates or even friends per se. I get the vague notion that there are other, deeper feelings involved which are making the situation harder to deal with... really not my business but it is a possibility being overlooked in much of this advice.

Could just be me misreading things, but most people only put up with this much crap if they are dating.

[Bel]

Yeah, Ridgeway - I have suspicions myself (not about necessarily dating, though that's come to mind too, for sure.)

That's why this situation frustrates me. It SUCKS to watch someone position themselves to get stomped. It may spawn some interesting threads on the internet, but when it comes down to humans at home with the door locked... it just sucks.

And what I don't get is, how is this Kazakai person STILL getting her hands on people's fucking dolls?! Or is it that the people she's snowing think they are friends of hers? If so, um, redflagREDFLAG, oui?

[tylonika]

I'm so glad to see someone taking her down. I got so sick of her when I read that horrible story about her bullying another girl out of a doll and then selling it.

[Bel]

*I'm* glad this thread hasn't been locked. I'm not used to an environment like this!

This chick deserves to have a whole hell of a lot come back to bite her in the ass. I almost feel bad for her - ALMOST. It just seems like she's had NO repercussions, never even had anyone with half a spine get in her face. Without any fallout, why WOULD she change or understand what she's doing wrong?

Feh. I'm old and intolerant of cowering dipshits.

[Guide]

*I'm* glad this thread hasn't been locked. I'm not used to an environment like this!

This chick deserves to have a whole hell of a lot come back to bite her in the ass. I almost feel bad for her - ALMOST. It just seems like she's had NO repercussions, never even had anyone with half a spine get in her face. Without any fallout, why WOULD she change or understand what she's doing wrong?

Feh. I'm old and intolerant of cowering dipshits.

There's no reason to feel bad for her. She has brought this on herself with months- if not years- of bad behaviour and theivery. I know a lot of people will say that no repercussions means that she may not understand that waht she is doing is wrong, but the way Kaz reacts when she is caught out prove that she does know she is doing bad things.

The problem here is that Kaz is a manipulative indevidual, and a con artist in the making. She deliberately befriends people, convinces them to send her items or in some other way part with their belongings and then attempts to steal them. When confronted, she becomes abusive, or cuts all contact.

This is repeating pattern in a lot of Kaz's dealings, and I am amazed- really amazed, Celebare, that you don't think that you will one day be one of the people she screws over.

I have no arguement with you, really, and I don't for a moment think you are a dishonest person. But I have to say you are being monumentally unwise. I very recently got screwed out of several thousend pounds ($4000+) by a friend.... and he was a man with a much better rep than Kaz will ever have. You are playing with fire.

[River]

To be honest Celebare and Kai's relationship or possible feeling towards one another are NONE of our business and it's pure conjecture at this point anyway.

Celebare, you may not be able to physically get to Kai's parents house to see if the dolls are there but you have a phone don't you? Call her/his parents and explain the situation, their child is in very real danger of legal action until these items are returned to their rightfull owner.
I'm not going to lecture you on how you should run your life or your friendships as again it's none of our business what brush you tar yourself with but if you are a friend to Kai who seems so wrapped up in her own little world then help her this one last time and make it absolutely clear to her that she's banned from doll forums for a reason and she needs to stop what she's doing and be an adult about it.

[Arvanah]

My biggest fear in this situation is for it to end up not having a legal leg to stand on. Some of you may remember the Flight of Swords incident, and the plans to file a lawsuit against her. From what I know, it never got off the ground, and I for one never got my money back from that woman. People like Kazakai rely on the fact that any form of business transaction done on the internet tends to come with the "at your own risk" attitude. It's a bullshit thought process that has let hundreds of assholes get away with large and small scams on the internet.
Because Kazakai convinces people to willingly send her the dolls without any compensation for her work, she can get away with claiming that it was not a business transaction at all. Without any exchange of money, and often under the guise that they were her friend, it is hard to call it a business.
What this case is going to need is proof that she's done it many times, and will do it again, and that this is an actual scamming technique.

[arabel]

River has a good point - has Kazaki been informed that someone's called the police to deal with her theft?

And I know so many people have already said it, but bravo branchuchan! I hope that it all works out in your favour. All of this is so overdue.

[Comrade Kiskalla]

Well, over on DoA, Branchuchan has asked that pasy victims contact her so she can build up a history of Kaz's actions.

[River]

River has a good point - has Kazaki been informed that someone's called the police to deal with her theft?

And I know so many people have already said it, but bravo branchuchan! I hope that it all works out in your favour. All of this is so overdue.

She called Branchuchan last thursday after Branchuchan informed her that she had done so yes. So she does know.

On the legal side of it surely the evidence provided via PM's could be taken as a verbal contract? Yes Branchuchan sent the dolls of her own free will but with the understanding that they would be returned by a certain date but then I'm no lawyer so I've no idea how such 'verbal contracts' are handled in the States.

I was just reading Kazakai's feedback thread on DoA. One of her friends at one point gives those giving negative feedback grief for doing so, citing Kai's 'lazyness' as a supposedly acceptable reason.. That is the most pathetic excuse I've ever heard. If you can't follow through with a business transaction you have NO part in taking them on.


Branchuchan: I'm 100% certain now that the DA account I linked to you in the LJ thread is correct, if you're still struggling to contact her she has been active in the last 7 hours or so on there, so that may get more of a response.

[dechanique]

Okay.

I live with two roommates who are both into ABJD. While you live under the same roof, as unfair as it might seem, people WILL look to you if something goes wrong with your roommate's deals.

And trust me, I would be the FIRST PERSON to beat my roommate in the face and tell her to ship out her items/stop dragging her feet/ect. I haven't had to do it, but claiming ignorance and saying it's not your problem is really frustrating.


HOWEVER, it is now out of your hands. The dolls aren't there, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything about the OP saying that the clothes should still be in the apartment?


Branchuchan: Thanks for having the balls to stand up to Kazaki. She needs a swift kick the face too. I hope you get your dolls back!

[BunnyChan]

Branchuchan- might I suggest trying not to talk on the phone with her much? If you can keep it to email or IMs or whatever, then you'll be able to keep a record of anything she says.

[Janne]

Celebare, you may not be able to physically get to Kai's parents house to see if the dolls are there but you have a phone don't you? Call her/his parents and explain the situation, their child is in very real danger of legal action until these items are returned to their rightfull owner.

I have to say, this is also the thought that occurred to me. Call the parents, email them - something.

I think the community will do what it can to make sure no-one deals with her again - the important thing now is to get the stolen property returned.

[branchuchan]

Thank you everyone for your kind words and help.

I have been assigned a Detective and called him this morning to update my information with Kazakai's real name (first and last, apparently Betty is her mom) and Celebare's last name.

I'm sorry but Celebare is now a part of my case just because SHE is the only way that I've had to get good contacts with Kai. Trying to contact Kai through her own phone number, email or AIM simply doesn't work.

[tylonika]

You're doing what you have to do hun. Good luck!

[Twilight]

I'm glad that you're doing this (I think I said that before), but at the same time, I'm sad that something this drastic has to be done.

This hobby has always struck me as one with at LEAST a fair amount of honest people. Then, suddenly, it seems as though an influx of dishonorable folks came in and are ruining it for everyone else.

I don't understand how a person can STEAL someone else's stuff and not feel guilty about it? Aren't parents doing their jobs and raising their kids with um...MORALS AND ETHICS?! I would be appalled if my son stole things, truly appalled. I would also take measure to prevent such a thing from happening in the future.

Still, good job for doing this. She deserves it.

[Lady Brick]

I'm sorry but Celebare is now a part of my case just because SHE is the only way that I've had to get good contacts with Kai. Trying to contact Kai through her own phone number, email or AIM simply doesn't work.

And that's the sad truth of the situation. Celebare can say that her relationship with Kaz isn't anyone's business, but that's just not the case when there are criminal charges involved.

[Loogie]

Branchuchan- might I suggest trying not to talk on the phone with her much? If you can keep it to email or IMs or whatever, then you'll be able to keep a record of anything she says.
I don't know if this applies to all phones, but I know my cellphone can record phone conversations. You turn on "voice memo" during a call. So, in the event that you get a phone call from Kaz, it might be possible to record it.

[NightWatch]

Just a thought, guys, but you might want to PM good advice to Bran instead of stating it out here on a thread, accessible to most of anyone... Most info here is probably going to filter back to Kazakai at some point after all.

[eveshka]

I don't know if this applies to all phones, but I know my cellphone can record phone conversations. You turn on "voice memo" during a call. So, in the event that you get a phone call from Kaz, it might be possible to record it.

Be careful with that. In many places, recordings of conversations can not be accepted as evidence if the other party was not made aware of the recording being made. That's why when you call your bank or something now it says "this call may be monitored or recorded."

[Loogie]

:X
I didn't know that. Maybe it's not a good idea, after all.

[Guide]

Thank you everyone for your kind words and help.

I have been assigned a Detective and called him this morning to update my information with Kazakai's real name (first and last, apparently Betty is her mom) and Celebare's last name.

I'm sorry but Celebare is now a part of my case just because SHE is the only way that I've had to get good contacts with Kai. Trying to contact Kai through her own phone number, email or AIM simply doesn't work.

Oh man- I'm glad you're doing this but it's a shame Celebare has to be involved too. :sweat

I hope Kaz gets your dolls back to you, and all the rest of your stuff. Soon.

Be careful with that. In many places, recordings of conversations can not be accepted as evidence if the other party was not made aware of the recording being made. That's why when you call your bank or something now it says "this call may be monitored or recorded."

If you are going to do that, all you have to do is say 'I;m going to record this conversation' and then the other person can hang up if they don't want to proceed. So long as you say that, it will be fine.

[Arvanah]

If you are going to do that, all you have to do is say 'I;m going to record this conversation' and then the other person can hang up if they don't want to proceed. So long as you say that, it will be fine.

I think from what we all know of Kai she'd hang up. :|

[Pristine Crimson]

I think from what we all know of Kai she'd hang up. :|

For some reason, I'd find that more incriminating evidence. :|

[BunnyChan]

If you are going to do that, all you have to do is say 'I;m going to record this conversation' and then the other person can hang up if they don't want to proceed. So long as you say that, it will be fine.

With it being as difficult as it is to get ahold of her in the first place, I personally wouldnt want to give her any reason to hang up x_X

[Shankula]

I can't figure out if celebare is (best case scenarios, because I'm an optimist) codependant, an innocent bystander, or an enabler? I was hoping for innocent bystander, but I just don't see how she can expect people to NOT judge her in some way for defending a thief.

[NightWatch]

I can't figure out if celebare is (best case scenarios, because I'm an optimist) codependant, an innocent bystander, or an enabler? I was hoping for innocent bystander, but I just don't see how she can expect people to NOT judge her in some way for defending a thief.

Codependent and enabler, I would say. Defending what Kazakai does and blaming everyone else pretty much enables Kazakai in continuing with her ways.

[Zully Quirke]

Regardless of her motivations, the fact remains that she is helping Kaz get away with things like this. Her answer to Braun's questions about the box of wigs and other miscellaneous items was to declare hatred of the BJD community, not respond with something akin to "That was already sent too" or "I didn't know that was yours!"

It's unfortunate that it's necessary to drag her into this, but it is. At this point I'd pin her as equally guilty as Kaz. She may not have initiated the theft, but she certainly helped it along.

[Kyrie Arashi]

Deleted because it isn't my place.

[babytarragon]

Codependent and enabler, I would say. Defending what Kazakai does and blaming everyone else pretty much enables Kazakai in continuing with her ways.

I think that's true.

Even if we give her the benefit of the doubt and she does know nothing about this particular theft, she has been there for plenty of Kaz's other thefts. She knows what goes on.
If I know about this, all the way from the UK and over the internet, imagine how much criminal activity celebare must know about.

Celebare does know Kaz better than us, which only incriminates her further in my opinion, as she knows more about Kaz's crimes.

Bran- Please don't settle for getting your dolls back, if there is a single mark on them, your property has been damaged and you will deserve something for it.

[branchuchan]

I think that's true.

Even if we give her the benefit of the doubt and she does know nothing about this particular theft, she has been there for plenty of Kaz's other thefts. She knows what goes on.
If I know about this, all the way from the UK and over the internet, imagine how much criminal activity celebare must know about.

Celebare does know Kaz better than us, which only incriminates her further in my opinion, as she knows more about Kaz's crimes.

Bran- Please don't settle for getting your dolls back, if there is a single mark on them, your property has been damaged and you will deserve something for it.

I plan to persue this to the fullest extent. I'm lucky that my Detective is totally on my side. :kisses

[V chan]

That's awesome! I'm really hoping you get to storm the place demanding "Where my things!" I'm keeping a look out on Y! Japan and Ebay.

[branchuchan]

What I'm afaid of is that they are already gone. No one seems to know where my dolls OR things are right now, and Kai doesn't care enoug, nor does Celebare, to find out.

[Guide]

What I'm afaid of is that they are already gone. No one seems to know where my dolls OR things are right now, and Kai doesn't care enoug, nor does Celebare, to find out.

I very much doubt she has sold them. I can't imagine her doing that, although there is a chance she has damaged them, which is why she is not returning them.

What ever happens, though, I am still rooting for you.

[gretch110]

Okay I'm totally going to start by saying that I don't know either party I happened to see this and started reading and I'm appalled by the whole situation. Bran your a better person then me because I know that if those were my dolls I would have driven and hunted Kaz down and probably hurt him lol I really hope you get your dolls back and that Kaz get the punishment befitting him. When I first started reading this post I totally thought Celebare was being persecuted for no reason but the further I read I kept thinking how could you have not done anything... granted its not really her 'place' but I mean come on to sit there and not doing anything makes you just as guilty.... that’s like me saying I didn't know my roommate wasn't smoking pot for a year even after helping them get some weed and then when they get caught wanting people to believe I had nothing to do with it... but hey karma is a b**ch and it will come back no matter what.

Good luck with everything Brand I'm totally sending prayers and good luck your way! :D

[Loki]

Has anyone ever contacted Kaz's parents before about her behaviour, from previous bung transactions or more recently? And the fact that the police are now involved? You'd think that might motivate at least them to reel her in and try and get her to do something about it.

But bravo, branchuchan, for going after this. It's great your detective is helpful and on your side! I really hope you get somewhere with this... it seems, too often that scammers and no-gooders in this hobby just get away with things because it's too hard to persue. So good luck!

[Hibiscus]

Late to the game, but I do hope that this works out so that you get your dolls back, and Kaz refunds your money. This is a deplorable situation, and I hope that word spreads so that no one else gets scammed.

I have said this before, and here it is again: this is the USA, and minors are "technically" not liable for contracts. Yes, they can be charged with criminal acts, but breach of contract is not something that will stick. Theft? OH yeah! Please keep that in mind if you are dealing with a minor for any kind of sales transaction---if they get all whiny and back out, you have NO recourse against them.

[Bel]

That bit about the minors makes me anxious sometimes about buying stuff on DoA. I tend to check not just feedback, but also posts of buyers/sellers when I'm dealing with higher-priced items. I'm sure that 9 times out of 10 it's fine, but I'd rather be paranoid about the 10th time than have something happen. Man, I even worry about completing a sale successfully, having a happy buyer, and then a month later getting a call from someone's mom or something because I was an evil person who sold her kid a $600 doll. Ugh, can you imagine?

Erm, ok, back to the topic now, sorry.

[branchuchan]

Great news!

My dolls finally showed today!

Of course I'm out of town and can't open it right this second. When I get home tomorrow I plan to document everything and contact the detective about any missing items.

Kai said some things were still missing.. I'm curious to find out if they magically appeared in my box.

[Bel]

Oh... wow! What timing! I'm so glad they're there - I hope they're in good shape. Congratulations!

(And, even if they're sparkling and awesome and perfect and fragrant, with all missing items there and a few extra diamonds and cupcakes - I really hope you write up a fat post about the experience and keep it handy so we can sling it at other people/forums who might get burned. I just hate that so often, when bad transactions/situations are resolved, all trace of them vanishes.)

And I'm sorry this happened to you in the first place. :(

[soliloquies]

Fantastic news that they've turned up. Hope that they are in good condition.

[River]

That's great news Branchuchan, amazing what a mention of the police can do isnt it? ^^ I hope they're all okay and everything's there hun

[Shizen]

Congratulations! When you can spare the time, do fill us in on it. This is valuable information that could help any person recover his/her own dolls from an unscrupulous party.

[Taco]

That's great news! Hopefully they're ok and have all their stuff.

[Jinnayah]

I'm glad they showed up! I hope you don't find any damage when you open them.

[branchuchan]

Thanks everyone. ^_^

[Hibiscus]

Congratulations! I can imagine how relieved you must be :)

[KeiVendetta]

Oh thank god you got your dolls back. I was quite worried over the whole situation.

[Melaidhrin]

That is such great news. :) I can only imagine how much weight has been lifted off your chest now.

[Shankula]

Thank goodness! Now we hope that she didn't harm/damage them before mailing them back.

[Janne]

Wonderful news! I hope all is well with them!

[branchuchan]

NEWS UPDATE:

I opened the box and the dolls arrived all in one piece. Kaz (my Shiwoo) looked like he had his face drawn on with black pencil. Rain (my El) had some marks on his face as did Jean-Paul (School A). Kaz is by far the worst. I tried to take pictures of the damage but it was too dark and I have to wait until the sun comes up to capture them.

Only about 3/4 of the clothing came back. All in all I'm missing around $160 worth of stuff, and the list will go to the Detective tomorrow. I'm missing:

1 pair Woo Soo boots - $80
1 Luts White Habbit Noir Shirt - $40
1 pair Dollmore Black and WHite Stockings - $5
1 pair Dollmore Burberry underware - $5
1 Feather (white) 15 mm Master Piece eye - $30 (can't buy singularly)
1 Lekee World Wig - $30

Total: $160

The package was post marked September 27 from Rittman Ohio.

[V chan]

I think a certain someone should find your other stuff and send it out post haste. I hope you get all your stuff back in the end. Sounds like everything is going to work out and that post date is mighty particular.

[Guide]

Rittman Ohio- is that Kaz's parents' area, or where Kaz lives?

[Hibiscus]

Black pencil? Removable!! I am so glad that your dolls are in good shape other than in need of a good cleanup. The clothes are a sad loss, but not that bad.

[Crescent]

I'm happy to read that you finally got your dolls back. I hope that they can get all cleaned up and looking great again. Sad to see so much stuff missing, I hope something is done about it and that Kaz is brought to Justice.
Btw the luts shirt is called Habbit Noir, I have the black ver.

[Comrade Kiskalla]

Thank goodness you've got the bulk of your items back. It's hilarious (in a sad sort of way) that the package was marked days after you had involved the police - seems like Kaz had no intention of really giving you all your stuff back. I hope you can still stick her with the missing items, and maybe even the phone calls.

[Ai Kazi]

I'm curious to see the damage done ~ Please post pictures when you get the chance! I am glad you got your dolls back! ^^

[Mela]

I am very glad to hear you got your dolls back! And please do post photos; the fact that she damaged your dolls and still kept some of your things does not look good for her. I would wait to talk to your detective before you do any sort of alteration to the dolls, as well...horrifying though the black marks may be, it might be a bad idea to remove them before they've been properly documented by the authorities.

Best of luck, and congrats on get your dolls back.

[Shankula]

I am very glad to hear you got your dolls back! And please do post photos; the fact that she damaged your dolls and still kept some of your things does not look good for her. I would wait to talk to your detective before you do any sort of alteration to the dolls, as well...horrifying though the black marks may be, it might be a bad idea to remove them before they've been properly documented by the authorities.

Best of luck, and congrats on get your dolls back.

QFE...I would let the detective see them in person, if you've been in personal contact with him...photos almost never show the full extent of damage to things, its just hard to capture sometimes. That way it isn't your word, it is also the word of the witness to the damage (the detective himself). Just an idea.

As for Kaz, I issue the BJD karma curse:
May the resin of your dolls yellow, in a sudden and severe manner. May you lose one eye from each pair you own, and may your cat urinate on all of your dolls and clothing...and in your heater ducts. :ninja

[Baakay]

No no, not the heater ducts!! :p

I'm glad this is approaching a decent resolution. What an incredible pain that you will have to redo the faces after all of this... but faces CAN be fixed. At least now you have some resin to work with!

[hobbywhelmed]

...and in your heater ducts.

Heheh, why does this have the ring of something personally experienced?

[gretch110]

YAY!! Your kiddies came home! I’m sure that’s a relief for you, it’s sad that it took you calling the police to get them back :(

Okay and heating ducts? lol I've never heard of a cat peeing there but damn that's funny!

Hobby I love the quote in your sig it soooo true

[Christy]

Yikes, what a complete and awful nightmare! I think if I were her, I would
rather calm down, talk this all out, and resolve the missing items....better that
than have some cops knocking at my door. Why would anyone want such a
simple transaction to go so far? Get it over with, done...and then get out
of customization.....crap.

------Ah! Saw your update------
Sorry this happened to you branchuchan....sounds like you got your
dolls...although that sucks there are still items missing...(how could
someone DO that? It boggles the mind)....

[Shankula]

To those who thought it might have happened to me, the cat pee...YES, it did. We have a cat who used to occasionally spray in the house (we'd have to stay on 'piss patrol' as we called it) and one time he sprayed on not one, but TWO air ducts. Yes. No matter how much you scrub, it seems like you can't ever get 100% of it, so I feel it is a fitting punishment for those who seem to whizz on other people's sense of trust.

[branchuchan]

You guys are all so funny. XD

But thank you for your well wishes.

[branchuchan]

Another Update:

Celebare gave me an email address through which to contact Kazakai - which was invalid. She is now insisting that she is not a part of this investigation, even though in my opinion she is just as guilty as kazakai for keeping my stuff.

If Celebare wishes to be removed from the investigation, then her best course of action would be to assist me in getting my stuff - instead of being a bitch to me when I contact her because there is no other way for me to contact Kazakai. At this point her actions speak very loud.

[crescentwinds]

Does this Kaz have an Ebay account? I'm just wondering so that I can stay away. o_O;

That's awful. I'm just wondering how much of the stuff, she can't find, she went off to another forum or place and sold? Is that possible?

[Pristine Crimson]

Yeah, even though Celebare posted in here acting like she wasn't part of the problem, it's becoming more and more clear that if she keeps associating with you in that attitude, she will be, in fact, guilty by association. I'm sorry you have to put up with this, branchuchan.

Here's hoping all your stuff comes back safe and sound!

[Amaryllis]

'Bout damn time Kazakai got what was coming to her. I remember my early days in the BJD hobby that I sent her some accessories for dolls and never got thanked for it :/ She just takes and takes and doesn't give back anything in return. Glad karma is finally biting her in the ass.

[Vale]

Kazakai is a drama queen. Kazakai is a vandal. Kazakai is a user, a loser, and an abuser of friendship. Being the friend of a known vandal/thief/jerk will gain you the reputation of being such. To be very blunt, Celebare, You look like a jerk for defending a jerk. Kazakai will eventually toss you quicker than a used Kleenex when your usefulness is done with. Trust a former proverbial Kleenex. You are being used, whether you acknowledge this or not. Kazakai used them and has no sense of caring for others. Also when I asked Kaz about the Becca incident I was called the nastiest slew of profanity and called a bad friend essentially for caring that Kaz is digging their own proverbial grave. Celebare I think you are a bit of an enabler, also, you are an adult, why are you living with a 17 year old sociopath x.o? Regardless of how bad this may sound : I really hope Kaz's adoptive mother is alright and doesn't get dragged down and punished for Kaz's outlandish deeds. -.-

[celestia]

You have no right to say that about her relationship(general) with Kazakai. Whether she chooses to be blind or is clinging on to more than anything she's ever dreamed of- isn't up for us to determine- nor is it anyone's place to tear that apart. She can be tossed aside as much as she think she can handle and will go crawling back god knows how many times; but these feelings can't be helped. Also a reason why spouses are given the right to not testify (or so here anyway.)
She does however, need to accept our perception and/or judgments of her as a result of this whole debacle and as someone mentioned earlier; it is quite foolish for her to even consider otherwise. Such a friendship always carries responsibilities and consequences; which is why so many people don't want to associate themselves with said delinquents. Celebare should have learnt to accept this long ago.

I didn't really want to say anymore about this, and im sure Celebare has a lot to answer for because a lot of people do have the right to be outraged partly *because* of her one way or another;- but i find it really cruel to tell her things she probably already knows and accepts Kazakai for.

Anyway, hopefully the rest of the dolls are recovered, Kazakai gets to suffer as much as she deserves to (i'd like her to have to pay for the value of each doll.. but ;< boo) and everyone will let her be the outcast she's always wanted to pride herself on being.

[aikoe]

This is sort of unrelated, but it occurred to me that I live AN HOUR AWAY from where Kazakai and Celebare live. I will probably be within walking distance of them tomorrow when I go take the GRE. I to this day don't really know what went on to get them both banned from DoA (well, Kazakai got banned for being a scammer, but there's no indication as to why Celebare did. Not that being banned from DoA necessarily means you've done anything, mind you. -_-). From reading this thread and doing a bit of subsequent browsing I learned that the two of them were roommates, and that Celebare supposedly goes to OSU and is now at least acquainted with, if not friends with, several people I know and used to regularly hang out with. This makes me a teeny bit nervous. It'd be nice if somebody, somewhere, could either post or PM me some definite information about the two of them, such as alternate names Kazakai goes by, age, and things like that (information I can't find in scammer threads, since those are often out of date). For all I know I've met her (them) or will, but I haven't the slightest idea who she is, and that's not a state I like to be in. I doubt I'm the only one who feels like this either, especially among the mid-Ohio group, so it might be nice for those of us who might immediately come in contact with her to know what we're dealing with.

...Just a personal preference. :D branchuchan, I'm glad you got your dolls back, and I hope you get the rest of your issues worked out.

[Guide]

I've sent you a PM, aikoe

[Lelio]

Aikoe- You haven't met either of them. They both came into the picture after you left for Japan. IM me sometime and I'll fill you in.

[aikoe]

Aikoe- You haven't met either of them. They both came into the picture after you left for Japan. IM me sometime and I'll fill you in.

Did you change screennames? 'Cause I haven't seen you on. It also might be that I'm never on anymore, too. :oops


Guide--Thanks for the info. :)

[Lelio]

Did you change screennames? 'Cause I haven't seen you on. It also might be that I'm never on anymore, too. :oops

Nope, it's still the same. XD I see you now.

But in case anyone else was wondering, Celebare was banned from DoA for "Assisting a banned member to access the forum." After Kazakai was originally banned, she used Celebare's IP to re-register and/or continue to use the forums, so they were both banned.

[KeiVendetta]

Another Update:

Celebare gave me an email address through which to contact Kazakai - which was invalid. She is now insisting that she is not a part of this investigation, even though in my opinion she is just as guilty as kazakai for keeping my stuff.

If Celebare wishes to be removed from the investigation, then her best course of action would be to assist me in getting my stuff - instead of being a bitch to me when I contact her because there is no other way for me to contact Kazakai. At this point her actions speak very loud.

I agree that you should leave her in the investigation, she is defending someone that has commited a felony.

[Tez]

I agree that you should leave her in the investigation, she is defending someone that has commited a felony.
Agreed. That's pretty much being an accessory to a crime.

[Lelio]

I agree that you should leave her in the investigation, she is defending someone that has commited a felony.

What Kazakai did was horribly wrong, and she needs to be punished for it, but it is not a felony. Murder, rape, arson... those are felonies. What Kazakai has done would be considered a misdemeanor.

[celestia]

While i wont debate the definition of a felony vs misdemeanor due to different law interpretations of different countries; How is grand theft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_theft) seen in the US sound?

[Lelio]

I'm really not sure how that would apply since she's gotten the dolls back (consideribly lowering the price of the missing items), and Kazakai is still a minor. I just seriously doubt she's going to get hit with a felony charge.

[celestia]

I'm pretty sure she knows what she's done wrong. There are people who are still suffering from their failed transactions with her (maybe their dolls have not been returned either?).
Put simply; if the offense was summary- a LOT of other minors could take advantage of such a minor punishment (were people aware she was a minor when they entered into a transaction with her?)- and for something that causes trauma and stress and disruption of daily life, i don't think it should be considered lightly- Especially when it's a repeat offense.

[Lelio]

Did I ever say I was considering it lightly? No. I'll be happy to be proved wrong and see her get exactly what she deserves.

[Lizzard]

I'm pretty sure she knows what she's done wrong.

If that's the case, it might behoove her to admit it. Until she does, we have absolutely zero evidence for assuming she's learned her lesson.

[celestia]

I'm saying pretty sure because i'm secretly hoping Celebare doesn't get into more trouble. There's a difference between admitting being wrong, not knowing she's wrong, not being told she's wrong and denying/ignoring she's wrong. Should everyone have failed to tell her keeping dolls is a wrong thing then obviously it's their own fault and no, its quite possible she's dumb inside out and doesn't know she's committed multiple crimes despite the fact many people have clearly pointed out that this is theft.

We can even assume Celebare doesn't know what the difference between right and wrong is and therefore cannot assist Kazakai in basic logic- but I'm seriously hoping normal people alert the problem seller when something illegal is taking place...which is logic... which is also why i said "i'm pretty sure".
Someone who consistently commits repeat offenses and manages to win out each time is not the mind of some innocent girl who doesn't know what she's doing. And if it is, then i suppose everyone who suffered through her is responsible too since they never told her to return the dolls/items because they were wrong to keep.

I hope you can see why i used the words 'i'm pretty sure'. I do like to give humanity some credit. Or maybe she's knocking her head on a wall because she doesn't know why she was banned from DoA :\ .

[Kyrie Arashi]

There are people who are still suffering from their failed transactions with her (maybe their dolls have not been returned either?).

I believe that the case on DoA of missings dolls has been closed since all those dolls were returned.

And in the matter of grand theft vs. petty theft, in some states, grand theft can be seen as a misdemeanor or a felony and petty theft is a misdemeanor.

If you look at it between Texas and Ohio, this is how it breaks down:
Were her dolls not returned, there would be no doubt that this was grand theft. However, since $170 is left, according to Texas and Ohio law, this is petty theft. Grand theft in Texas is over $400 and in Ohio is above $500.

If Kazakai is on probation and is charged of petty theft, she may be given a second chance, given jail time, given extended probation, etc.

Kazakai only has one other crime that put her on probation, I think? This makes me think that, if this goes through, she is only going to get either a short jail scentence and a fine or an extended probation.

But I'm not an expert... Just giving my two cents.

[River]

To be honest I've watched Kazakai on DA for a while now not even realizing it was even her so from journals etc I can tell you, she isn't an idiot. And she isn't stupid enough to think that what she was doing is acceptable on any level but whether she has the ethics to acknowledge that is another thing.

What I do think she is naive too though is that these things have very real, very serious consequences when taken this far (despite the fact she's been in trouble with the police before). Hopefully this was the wakeup call that was needed and no one else will have to suffer through her bullshit again, unfortunately as much as I want to believe that it is she seems to be under the belief that the world revolves around her so I doubt she'll have learnt anything besides the fact she's unwanted in the BJD community and even then that's only feeding her little 'unjustly put upon outcast' facade.

[celestia]

I don't live in the US, hence that was as far as i could be bothered searching myself X3
I know i rarely hear misdemeanors and felonies here.. we do use indictable and summary though. Annnnyway, if the cases on DoA were closed because all dolls were returned- then that's that.

I still feel those who suffered through her transactions have still come out short.

Just a question (or anyone who knows the law in that area).. if you stole an expensive item.. had an investigation open.. and return them- you wouldn't be charged for theft of property as a minor? Even having it be a repeat offense?

Apparently multiple, repeat offenses for the same thing gets counted as the one offense in Kazakai's case? I mentioned repeat offenses before, but since the dolls were returned- she no longer committed the crime (makes no sense here but then again im in a different country).

[Vale]

In response to my last pose, I apologize to everyone. I just meh. In Ohio, when dealing with minors if you commit an Inchoate crime ( Inchoate crimes include attempt, conspiracy, and solicitation. Being an accessory or an accomplice to a crime are also inchoate criminal offenses.) you can be charged in the criminal system. This triggers a mild fear is Celebare is gonna get hit in the face because 'adding to the deliquency of a minor' is an offense here -.-; despite her not necessarily having anything to do with any of this. I'm sorry if my post came out horrible before. I just don't like watching people who appear to be good people go down. :( Also : Ohio, at least in Cuyahoga County, REALLY enforces that 'Adding to the deliquency of a minor' charge... -.- Again, I'm very sorry if my post came out over-aggressive/mean/rude/presumptuous.

[celestia]

Ouch.. that's got to suck. On the brightside- at least its covered. X3
If a crime was committed, but the person returned the goods- does that mean they are now free of being charged or can they still be held accountable for something? mental trauma..stress of the other party e.t.c

[Vale]

Really depends on the judge and jury. And the grand jury. Also, because of damages, repeated BS, and items still missing. ( It may or may not be Grand Theft [a felony charge] because I can't remember if Grand Theft starts at $200 or not.) . I know Branchuchan's total is approaching the $200 mark when you add in that they may have to replace the faceups and add in shipping to replace said items. :( .

[Kyrie Arashi]

Since nobody from the prior transactions pressed charges, I don't believe they would be brought into consideration in this case.

Edit: And Vale, in Ohio, grand theft is considered $500 and above.

[branchuchan]

Well, reguardless of the Grand or Petty theft charges, Kazakai AND Celebare will have to continue dealing with this until my stuff OR my stuff is recieved.

I plan to write a letter to Kazakai's mother today, asking for $250 (replacement cost plus shipping) or my stuff - to replace what is missing.

If they would just give me my stuff, then thing would go away and they would never have to hear from me again.

IF YOU ARE READING THIS CELEBARE, DO THE RIGHT THING AND HELP ME SO I CAN LEAVE YOU ALONE! GET YOUR ROOMATE TO GIVE ME MY STUFF! UNTIL MY STUFF OR THE MONEY FOR IT ARRIVES, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BE LISTED AS PART OF THE INVESTIGATION.

[aikoe]

Thank you to everyone who let me know what was going on. :)

I'm reserving my opinion on anyone NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE ISSUE--that means Celebare. Because regardless of who she lives with, whether she's helping with the scamming and such, whether she's just letting it happen, or whether she's telling the truth, I don't personally know her. And, last I checked, we had this general idea of innocent until proven guilty, and nobody has proof Celebare's actually done anything except try to get people's stuff back from Kazakai. Which shouldn't, as far as I'm aware, be an offense. Maybe some of the people in this thread should try the same?

Also, it is really nice to be able to say something like that without someone flipping their shit, bitching at me for not being involved, and then locking the thread. Free speech FTW!

On a lighter note, why isn't Kazakai living at home if she's only 17? She's obviously not disowned or something. :?

[celestia]

Aikoe- i am loving how we are entitled to speak. It makes people feel like they have more ground and support to convict a criminal.
What i want to know is; if the dolls returned were damaged- if so, could that amount to extra compensation to say, get them replaced or re-furbished (lol)?

RE: 17 y.o She could be an independent? (not sure how that works in Ohio)

[Mela]

While she might not be charged with a felony, she could be charged with a misdemeanor as an adult since she is 17. That's not likely, but possible.

However, in most states the minimum for a felony charge is $500. Since the dolls were damaged, though, the damages might actually be more; if it were me I would be asking for the cost of a new face up as well, and any repair costs.

[indeed]

Do you have any update on this at all yet? Any contact?

[ChocoMeijin]

I've been following this since the beginning, can't wait to hear what happens. I'm glad somebody finally had the gumption to really stick it to a scammer.

[xSnowxXxAngelx]

I hope you get the rest of your stuff back. This is ridiculous in a way that is unbelievable. Her past deals should be proof enough to see that she should be charged. Along with the fact that the goods were damaged when you got them back, I would be taking her for all the money that the dolls and clothes are worth and then some MORE. She has been getting a way with this kind of thing for some time now and I'm getting tired of her. None of us should be subject to such things as this.

branchuchan - I really hope you get what is rightfully yours! :mad

[Gelfling]

On a lighter note, why isn't Kazakai living at home if she's only 17? She's obviously not disowned or something. :?

Hi hi. Just a conjecture...

I lived out of home when I was 17 - on college campus. If this is the situation then Celebare has no choice who her room mate is, am I right? I am not US-based so am unfamiliar with the way things might work there.

I understand why Branchuchan is hounding Celebare - because she thinks this is the best way to get her remaining items returned - but I can also see why Celebare is so hostile about it: why does she keep having to be the one to clean up Kai's messes? Where will it end?

Anyway, I hope things turn out well for Branchuchan and Celebare and that this kind of horrible thing doesn't happen again. And I hope Kai works himself out once and for all.

[Lizzard]

I lived out of home when I was 17 - on college campus. If this is the situation then Celebare has no choice who her room mate is, am I right?

It is my understanding that they moved in together because they were friends. I don't know if they're on a college campus or not, but from everything I've seen posted -- by them and others -- they knew each other long before they decided to be roommates.

[Lelio]

I lived out of home when I was 17 - on college campus. If this is the situation then Celebare has no choice who her room mate is, am I right? I am not US-based so am unfamiliar with the way things might work there.

Celebare and Kazakai live near the campus, but it is not school housing and Kazakai is not enrolled in college. They live in a regular apartment, and living with Kazakai was Celebare's choice.

[NightWatch]

I understand why Branchuchan is hounding Celebare - because she thinks this is the best way to get her remaining items returned - but I can also see why Celebare is so hostile about it: why does she keep having to be the one to clean up Kai's messes? Where will it end?

Celebare is not forced into any situation and has been defending Kazakai for a very long time now.

[Uneide]

Branchuchan -- I think we're all rooting for you ( not only for getting your stuff back -- all of it) but because Kazakai has been getting away with too much, for too long. I'm actually surprised no one pressed charges before you.

Celebare-- I think my sentiments have been echoed ad nauseam. I wouldnt' be surprised if the day the police comes calling Kazakai had forgotten the goods were there all along -- or tries to blame Celebare. Speculation? Yeah. but at this point it doesnt' seem that Kazakai has any sense of accountability -- or simply gives a rat's behind.

[LoveVampire]

I personally think that if Celebare doesn't want to deal with Kaz's stuff anymore she would move out and still be friends with Kaz, just not have to deal with her drama (personally if I was her I would go insane and probably wouldn't be able to live with a scammer.)

[trythisoutchiki]

Wow, I'm sorry she got you like that. Glad to hear you finally got your bjds back tho'.

Has there been any more word about what happened to the rest of your stuff? Cause from what I gathered from all of it was, that she had the rest of your stuff, but apparently didn't know it was yours or some la dee dah excuse. :/

[LoveVampire]

It's been about a month now ;3; is there any more news about this case? I'm so curious to what the outcome is going to be.

[Sharonpixie]

I'm new here and in the BJD world so only I know what I read here. I just want to tell Celebare something... You don't deserve this... You are judge just because you have a person by your side that is doing illegal thing. Still, I wondered if that person has gave you something else than troubles since you met him. I know how it feels. I used to had people in my life that were using me and I never notice it until horrible thing happen. It felts horrible but you don't need to stand it, live with it, suffer it just in name of a friendship. There is more people in the world that would be more than glad to be your friends without hurting you. I learned that from life in the hard way and I hope you can understand it too. You don't need to suffer because of other people's act. You deserve more than that from the people that is called your friends. Think about it, ok?:)

Edit: Oh I forgot, It was a good thing to do that tell the police about this issue. I'm glad you have your dolls back. Did you receive everything already?

[Kyrie Arashi]

Last I heard, she received most of her items and Celebare and Kazakai have gone their seperate ways. While cleaning the apartment, Celebare unearthed some more (or the rest of?) items that were hidden amongst Kazakai's belongings and sent them back to branchuchan.

If this is the case, and all the items are back home, perhaps updating the thread as such and having the mods close it would be a good idea? If the matter is over, there is no need for it to be revived. I'm sure the community is now well aware of dealings with Kazakai.

[Sharonpixie]

Last I heard, she received most of her items and Celebare and Kazakai have gone their seperate ways. While cleaning the apartment, Celebare unearthed some more (or the rest of?) items that were hidden amongst Kazakai's belongings and sent them back to branchuchan.

If this is the case, and all the items are back home, perhaps updating the thread as such and having the mods close it would be a good idea? If the matter is over, there is no need for it to be revived. I'm sure the community is now well aware of dealings with Kazakai.

Yes, that's right. I'm new in the BJD stuff and to be honest I never thought that people did this kind of stuff. I'm glad that everything is allright now!:)

[Celebare]

Just an FYI and update on my end:

The remaining few items of branchuchan's that were here have been shipped back to her, and Kai is no longer living in my residence.

I realize I said none of branchuchan's items were here, and saying 'I was lied to' isn't much of an excuse x___x; (I was told - assured multiple times - that the items in question were Kai's property, and I was dumb enough to believe it until I realized the boots were Woosoo boots >___>) But hopefully that's all been resolved now. I'm just glad I was able to catch what items belonged to branchuchan before Kai took them with her when she moved out :x

[Sharonpixie]

Yes, I'm glad that you are in peace again. I don't know you but I'm glad...:)

[Shizen]

Just an FYI and update on my end:

The remaining few items of branchuchan's that were here have been shipped back to her, and Kai is no longer living in my residence.

I realize I said none of branchuchan's items were here, and saying 'I was lied to' isn't much of an excuse x___x; (I was told - assured multiple times - that the items in question were Kai's property, and I was dumb enough to believe it until I realized the boots were Woosoo boots >___>) But hopefully that's all been resolved now. I'm just glad I was able to catch what items belonged to branchuchan before Kai took them with her when she moved out :x

Branchuchan gets her stuff back, and you're a tad wiser from experience. This is good news. Carry on. :yey

[Shankula]

Celebare, you did the right thing, and thus in my eyes are redeemed. Nobody wants to believe that their close friend is capable of acting like a sociopath, or at the very least knowing that they act like that to others, but can't fathom the person ever treating THEM like that. I've had a few friendships like that, and it sucks. So here you are, a little weathered but definitely wiser. I hope I see you around, you seem like the kind of person who deserves another shake.

[Celebare]

Last update from me - the things I sent out to Branchuchan were received ^^ Screencap from an LJ comment:

http://host440.ipowerweb.com/~hellmuse/bakubaku/Commission/ljproof.jpg

[Ren]

Everything turned out well. That's good. :) I'm happy for both of you that this matter has been settled.

[Michikaru]

branchuchan - I read this thread you started, and I'm sorry you had to go through all that trouble. It's too sad. For curiosity's sake, what about Kaz? You said there was bad damage done to him, was it just the pencil? Did you get it fixed? I hope he's okay.

[scrollbrush@hotmail.]

Thanks so much for this information Branchuchan and you did very well in going to the Police because if you didn't this person will continue to do these things.
Nobody likes to be cheated and people who do should be punished .

After seeing so many "crooks " on different forums I am really put off in sending my dolls for any "face ups" because you never know. Granted that there are very honest people out there doing commissions but I would prefer to pay the Company that I sent my dolls from to do it because loosing your doll is not at all funny.

Thanks again.

[angeliue]

Heyy i found her deivant art. hope it helps http://gutterface.deviantart.com/
shes up to her old tricks again using the name gutterface now OoO

[roxythekiller]

What a horror story. I'm glad the OP got her dolls back... shame on Kazakai (and for anyone who makes excuses for her.)