SD10 Boy Bodies - Opinions please!

[kuro]

Hi everyone :)

I want to put a Glorydoll Louis head on an SD10 boy body, but I'm not sure whether I should go for a regular (non-jointed) body, or FCS-it and get the jointed one.

What are people's opinions on the SD10 regular boy body? Is the jointed body worth the extra effort?

Any and all thoughts are welcome!

[Janne]

I love the SD10 unjointed body. I mean...
http://homepage.mac.com/jankafka/.Pictures/Denil/tanden1.jpg

That said, the waist joint does add some flexibility. I think it depends on what you most want - the unbroken lines, or some added poses.

[nena]

I'm a fan of non-jointed SD10 bodies. In my opinion, the joint on the SD10 boy body looks kind of odd, I find the cut of the joint rather severe and set thinly together. Cassiel has a great comparison on her site here (http://www.angelden.net/fcs/body/sd10-b05.html).

I never miss the extra joint with my single-torso dolls, and on the plus side the single-jointed body is much easier to get ahold of, often cheaper too. The jointed torso would be harder to get as its limited to FCS (and Ushiwakamaru), but it has novelty for being more uncommon. ^^

Hope that helped anyway, good luck in what you choose!

[kuro]

Janne - Gorgeous F26! Thank you for the picture and the advice :)

nena - I've seen Cassiel's comparison before, and I completely agree with you. It's very sharp.

That's true, but I was considering doing an FCS for it so I could get my F17 head (who will share bodies with my SchA) and SD10 body at the same time. So by that method, the cost doesn't differ, but I've been looking on YJ and definitely, the SD10 nonjointed bodies are far cheaper than expected. So many decisions XD

Thank you, nena!

[Karhys]

I'm personally a huge fan of the SD10 jointed torso but I realise it's an entirely personal thing and each to their own. :D I really prefer jointed torsos when push comes to shove because I like being able to have more control over the direction that my boy can face and bend and that sort of thing. In fact I held off on getting him for several years (I'd been planning him since Volks was still using old resin) because I was waiting for them to release a jointed SD10 torso!

For me it's a mix between aesthetic appeal versus posability and I fall more in the middle ground or even towards posability rather than leaning towards the purely aesthetic side of things. While I love the aesthetics of course (I don't like unslightly joints) I want to have the posability I desire (and I've always adoooored jointed torsos) so I will sacrifice a certain amount of aesthetic appeal to get that. :) (I don't feel that the SD10 boy joint was done as prettily as the SD13 boy joint -- so I agree with you guys that it can be offputting! -- but for me I'm still quite happy with it overall, especially as it gives me that little extra control that I desire. I think I'm a control freak. :p)

I don't really have a lot of good pictures showing of the sort of capability that he has but if you like I can force him to strip off his shirt and show off? :yey

ETA: random leaning slight back pose: (best I could find on short notice, I will do shirtless pics for you -- sorry, we just don't have any as he's very shy about his body!)
http://www.crysania.com/cassiel/lj/rafariel-musedolljumper02.jpg

[Janne]

*Votes for Cassiel to make Rafariel strip*

Ironically (or perhaps not) my Denil and Cassiel's Rafariel own the two torso's in the comparison and this a very familiar question to us!

I think I changed my mind several times, ordering mine (but don't at all regret my final choice. Well, maybe a little. But not really.)

Edit: Volks needs to re-release optional parts in all colors, so you can have all the pieces you want!

[Karhys]

Haha, I remember Janne placing her order for Denil, I can't count the number of times she'd email me with "I want the jointed torso!" and then a day later, "no, I've changed my mind, I want the non-jointed torso!" ;)

I think Denil is hot the way he is though. :kisses So honestly in the end, I don't think you can go wrong or be disappointed either way. It just comes down to whether you think that you want the visual aesthetic over the posability, or vice versa. Either way it's a fairly small difference, I think.

(Don't make any decisions yet, though -- give me an excuse to force Rafariel to strip! ;) )

I wish Volks would sell all body parts as optional parts again. Man, those were the days... :tantrum

[kuro]

Eee, thank you for all the wonderful, friendly advice you guys! :D It's good to know that either way I can't go wrong, like you said, Cassiel. I definitely haven't made up my mind yet (waits for Rafariel XD); both seem to have very strong pros.

I wish Volks sold a full line of optional parts too T ^T;;

[Ridgeway]

I recently got a white SD10 oldskin non-jointed boy body for my Peaks Wood's Segi head. I like the look of it very, very much but being the poseability freak that I am, I do wish he could move around a little more. The character isn't one to be running around shirtless but I will be using him for jewelry modeling which is usually done sans shirt. I guess I'm a bit back and forth in my opinion about the chest joint.

If anyone can answer another question about SD10 bodies for me, what are the poseability differences between the oldskin SD10 and pureskin SD10? I know the hand and feet attachments are different, but what else? My guy has had his upper thighs modded so he can sit up a bit better, but are the new guys any better? I still think I have to stick to oldskin for the sake of the resin match to PW(same as Luts white), but I am curious. sorry for the small hijack.:oops

[Janne]

Pureskin and oldskin are really the same color - the difference is a slight translucency. So if you already know that your head matches oldskin, you can usually upgrade without a color difference.

The newer Pureskin bodies hold poses much better than even the older pureskin bodies (such as the Michele's body my Ginza Michael's head is on). My new pureskin SD boy can sit up straight (he sort of locks behind his, er, rear) and he can stand by himself. None of my oldskin bodies can do that without a lot of sueding, wiring, or modifications.

[Panoptes]

I own both new styled 10 boy body and the old styled 10 boy body. Like Janne has said, the major difference lies on their joints and the torso. The torso of old skin body is very arch-back and the body has more "doll-like" joints and chubbier limbs.

[astrosnik]

I have a SD10 boy body as well and I love it to pieces. Of course I'm a huge fan of the original girl bodies as well. The complaint I usually hear is when people don't like the arch in the back, more than the lack of a joint. It does make it a little more difficult to sit Max upright, but it looks sexy. ; )

[Juubei]

I had an old non-jointed SD10 boy body for my Ninodoll Bada and a girl body for my KK Poppy. I absolutely hated them. The legs and ankles would turn like nobody's business.

That said, I've now had the chance to play around with some of the newer non-jointed SD10 bodies... and they don't seem to have this problem. I have to give Volks kudos for constantly improving on old designs. Seeing as you're going for a new body via FCS order, I wouldn't worry about it too much as long as you like the aesthetics of the non-jointed body. Personally, I prefer the ability to bend at the back for a hunched position, but this is purely my preference.

[takira]

I have an unjointed asexual SD10 body and while I've not handled a jointed one extensively, I don't really appreciate huge difficulties in posing the non-jointed one. The ability to slouch him forward a bit would probably be useful if his character were more of a slouch. ;) In my experience torso joints don't usually allow tons and tons of flexibility anyway, so it's not a big factor for me.

Both sculpts are lovely, however, so I'd go with whichever appeals to you most.

[BunnyChan]

My magical michael has the SD10 body. Out of all the bodies I have in my collection, his is my least favorite. IMO, when I first got it, it was clunky, chubby, blocky, un-nessicarily heavy, and litterally has the definition of a 10 year old child. Its not the BEST body in the world if you're looking for taking lots of sexy hot shots. He had chubby kid man-boobs that both annoy and amuse me. I ended up switching his hands to a pair of optional ones because the ones he came with looked like little stumpy paws to me, and very childlike.

Now that i've gotten used to him, I dont see the man boobs, and the kiddy-pudge as much. After getting differant hands, and modding him so he can sit in differant directions, I liked it a lot better.

Given the choice between the two bodies, jointed or unjointed I would probably still choose the unjointed one however, if only because I think the jointed one looks too long in the torso, and has a very square look.

ETA: I have a ton of differant kinds of pictures on Kodona's LJ if you'd like to see some differant poses the one peice body can do, and what it looks like minus clothes and whatnot.

[marsh]

I have a Re-che on a Magical Michael body. At the time I purchased him, I'd been a minis only owner and was really scared to break my 'no big dolls' rule, so I considered him a good compromise.

I absolutely loved the body. The non-jointed torso is aesthetically pleasing to me, especially shirtless. I did, eventually, swap his shorter legs for the longer version, normally worn on the standard SD10 boys and SD13 girls, and I'm really happy with the look of him. If you're looking for a body to be a younger boy or to look a little uke next to a 60 cm doll, it's a great option.

In terms of posing, I've had no complaints. I can't really offer a comparison to the jointed SD10 boys, but I've never regretted owning this boy for a second.

There's been a fair amount of discussion about the difficulty clothing these guys, but I've found a fair amount of clothing to fit him and I sew for him myself.

I definitely recommend the solid torso SD10. They're very pretty boys.

[Ladyrixx]

I have an oldskin solid torso to match my Rasendou head. I decided that the one part torso was for me when I got to play a bit with my OD Il. All of my resin guys with jointed torsos either pop, or you have to scrunch them forward to not fall over.

That being said, I've been modding mine to sit up, which he can do naked right now, but I'm still working on it for when he's actually dressed.

[Shizalent]

I prefer jointed torsos myself. :oops I love how the joint enables more expressive movement (and heck, movement period!) and since my dolls are generally clothed, I never see the joint. Those could be more considerations for you--if your doll will usually be clothed, if you'd want to take photos where the aesthetically less pleasing joint would be visible, if and how much the joint would bother you, etc.

Also, I know this doesn't exactly relate to your question since it's about the jointed versus non-jointed torso, but just so you know there's a record of people having breakage problems with SD10 knees: http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59863

[kuro]

Thank you for all the feedback, everyone! I'm really enjoying what everyone has to say.

I am actually aware of the SD10 knee issue, but I've never heard it mentioned in relation to SD10 boys, just girls. This of course could be attributed to the relative unpopularity of SD10 boys. Does anyone know if SD10 boys have the same knee issue?

[BunnyChan]

Thank you for all the feedback, everyone! I'm really enjoying what everyone has to say.

I am actually aware of the SD10 knee issue, but I've never heard it mentioned in relation to SD10 boys, just girls. This of course could be attributed to the relative unpopularity of SD10 boys. Does anyone know if SD10 boys have the same knee issue?

Im about 95% sure they do. Before I sanded Kodona's little locking knee teeth off (for my own aethetic preferences) his knee would to the thing that people mentioned happens to the ones that break, and I saw the resin kinda bow outwards several times.

[Kim]

I am actually aware of the SD10 knee issue, but I've never heard it mentioned in relation to SD10 boys, just girls. This of course could be attributed to the relative unpopularity of SD10 boys. Does anyone know if SD10 boys have the same knee issue?

As far as I know, they don't because most SD boys have SD13 girl legs. I think the only ones that would have the problem the girls do is Magical Michael since he comes with the SD girl legs.

[Shizalent]

As far as I know, they don't because most SD boys have SD13 girl legs. I think the only ones that would have the problem the girls do is Magical Michael since he comes with the SD girl legs.

As far as standards and LEs go, I think you're right--Michael is just a shortie. XP In FCS though both leg lengths are available, so it's something to be aware of if you choose the "normal" SD10 girl legs.

[Karhys]

Okay, I apologise that this is so late -- I've had a crazy busy time lately. *_* But I got some pics today that sort of show off some of the things you can do with his jointing.

(Oh and yeah, if you get the SD10 boy with long legs -- which is the legs that all SD10 boys have except Michael, and is L-02 in FCS -- you won't have the leg issue. I've had my boy for two years now and not even a hint of a problem, and he has the long legs. So I'd recommend them highly. They're also lovely to look at and very nice to stroke. :clap Err, not that I'm a perv or anything... ;))

Anyway, pics for you! I further apologise that this is more arty than clearly visible but I was trying to kill several birds with one stone. :oops

http://www.crysania.com/cassiel/lj/rafariel-gearbook03.jpg


http://www.crysania.com/cassiel/lj/rafariel-gearbook05.jpg


http://www.crysania.com/cassiel/lj/rafariel-gearbook06.jpg


http://www.crysania.com/cassiel/lj/rafariel-gearbook08.jpg

So as you can see, although it's not a big huge deal, in some situations it can be really nice to be able to twist the torso a bit in different directions. I like to put Rafariel in poses like this (hmm, that sounds kinky :doh anyway!) so for me it's most advantageous that I can. In fact I'm about to get my second SD10 boy body and I'm going for the jointed torso again. :D

But as always, your mileage may vary greatly! In the end, go with what works most comfortably for you. :) Both torsos are beautiful in their own way and I don't think you'll be disappointed, whichever you choose!

[Tereya Chan]

I'm just going to toss my hat in the ring and say how much I love that body. I have two SD10 boys and plan to get one if not two more in the future. Both my guys have the short legs partly because I'm a stickler for height difference, but I've never had a problem with the knees on either of them. One is a older Magical Michael body, the other is my sunlight boy that's not quite a year old yet.

Both are in great condition and pose well. The sunlight boy has the jointed torso, the MM body is non-jointed, but I like both of them fine. I have yet to decide on my future boys whether I want jointed or non-jointed.

[kuro]

Thank you so much, Cassiel! I love Rafariel's eyelashes :D You've definitely swayed me to the side of jointed XD

Thanks for your feedback too, Tereya Chan! It's great to hear from soneone who has both :)

[Karhys]

Thank you so much, Cassiel! I love Rafariel's eyelashes :D You've definitely swayed me to the side of jointed XD

I'm always happy to be an enabler. :clap Whenever you get your boy, do be sure to post pics of him for us to see the end result, okay? I definitely want to see! (The GloryDoll heads are just gorgeous, and I think they'll look really good on SD10!!)

And thank you, about the eyelashes! I absolutely adore them to pieces! :D They're Volks' gothic eyelashes (http://www.volks.co.jp/images/goods/img3246_0.jpg), I always knew he needed them as soon as I saw them at the store. I even always have a spare pair on hand in case anything happens to them, as I love them so. :oops

[Tro-chan]

Wow, that joint moves a lot more than it looked like it would in the static pose... Does he have the same mobility in leaning forward and back as he does twisting?

[Honooko]

I had a jointed body for a while, and really liked it. My old roommate had a pair of non-jointed bodies, and they could not do a lot os simple poses like my body could. I ended up selling it because it wasn't right for the character, but it was a good cute body.